Posted By: Bill Fremp (28/04/2008 11:00:48 AM)
Comment: This is horrible. It offers no intelligence whatsoever, just poorly-worded, biased opinion. And I'm not following the David Ortiz statement. Is he a non-gamer, or a half-gamer?

Posted By: Catherine (20/04/2008 3:32:25 PM)
Comment: Fire Joe Morgan completely destroyed your reasoning. I think I'll put their thesis here: Gamer list: Ripken Jeter Ellis Rowand Hunter Swisher Byrnes Tulowitzki Or, in other words: White Half-white White White Black White White White Non-gamers: Bonds Zito Ramirez Chavez Beltran Jones Martinez Ortiz Or: Black White Latino Latino (Born in San Diego, but hey, a last name that ends in -ez!) Latino Afro-Caribbean (I think? Born in the Netherlands Antilles. Not white.) Latino Latino

Posted By: wow (18/04/2008 4:06:08 PM)
Comment: i should cancel my subsription to the PD because of this. you sir are a racist

Posted By: blurt (18/04/2008 9:25:03 AM)
Comment: If you found this via fjm, you also endured Lowell Cohn's "argument" that Sabean is a better GM than Beane. The only way anybody could "argue" that is if he is on the Giants' payroll. What's up, Lowell? I used to think the SF Chron fired you because you are, well, you. Turns out maybe they knew more than that. Whatever. At least the world will always know what a schmuck you are. I wonder how many times the Cohns have begged the SPD to take down this post.

Posted By: Hahaha (18/04/2008 9:16:02 AM)
Comment: I do agree that blog is a piece of crap. I think though, that it wouldn't be as berated had it not been on Fire Joe Morgan. It was great for a 15 minute laugh. Thanks FJM.

Posted By: Jordan (17/04/2008 10:17:36 PM)
Comment: Hilarious!

Posted By: Appalled (17/04/2008 7:32:41 PM)
Comment: Wow! Santa Rosa sounds like Alabama. You guys get away with writing blaten racist nonsense like this?

Posted By: Brian (17/04/2008 10:54:22 AM)
Comment: I, too, found this 'post' from FJM. What in god's name were you on when you wrote this crap? Berating players and calling them 'non gamers' for simply getting older or getting injured? Do you honestly think players CHOOSE to get hurt, and that somehow makes them less of a player? If your basis for Ortiz not being a gamer, why not just say 'All DH players aren't gamers, they're only half gamers'? Bashing guys for getting injured is simply moronic. Your list of 'gamers' is as retarded as your list of non-gamers. I've got an idea: it's apparent you know absolutely nothing about baseball and what makes up a great player, so stop writing about it and find something you do know something about. Hack.

Posted By: Mister Six (17/04/2008 9:06:37 AM)
Comment: Mike Lupica couldn't have stated this idiocy better himself.

Posted By: Non-Gamer (17/04/2008 6:25:28 AM)
Comment: I would first like to thank firejoemorgan.com for existing. Second, I'd like to thank FJM for pointing out why posts such as these are worthy of ridicule. The idea of a "gamer" is a media construct meant to play to a populist audience. Who doesn't want to root for the guy that plays hard? It's the American way that the hardest worker deserves the best treatment. There are two problems with describing gamers. Rather than relying on actual performance, a sports writer must instead resort to flowery prose to paint a picture of a hard-working, American gamer. Dirty jerseys, hanging in there, sliding catches are examples of the useless descriptive terms ascribed to gamers. But I posit, why does one need to dive for a ball in play? Is it because it was misplayed off the bat? Why does a dirty jersey equal performance? Perhaps the player was caught stealing, therefore attributing his team with an out, the worse result one can achieve in any play in baseball. If a player strikes a homerun, or two, or three in a game, their jersey may remain clean, but they have done a lot toward seeing their team toward victory. Using this scale of superlatives, however, one might be tempted to call the homerun striker a "non-gamer" when compared to the dirty jersey of the "gamer." Therein lies another problem of the gamer construct: there lies by implication (or assertion in this post) the opposite, "non-gamer." However, to subscribe the lack of superlatives as a test for a non-gamer ignores on the field performance and steps taken to help the team win. To subscribe the title of gamer or non-gamer to any player does little more for your reader than indicate the need to move forward with their reading.

Posted By: blurt (17/04/2008 1:12:09 AM)
Comment: Iggy Cohn = Max Gogarty. Google Max, you'll see...

Posted By: jgtx (17/04/2008 12:17:27 AM)
Comment: I like that there are people (wizened?) actually posting that the Cohn's should "keep up the good work". OK, fair enough. What is good about it? Please, defend this article in some logical fashion. Seriously. Because it's awful. It's honestly as if they have distilled a month's worth of sportscenter highlights and crapped out an article without watching games, researching stats, or basically doing anything based in reality. Oh, sorry, I forgot stats are meaningless, because they only SHOW WHAT PLAYERS DO IN GAMES OF BASEBALL.

Posted By: bob (16/04/2008 5:58:38 PM)
Comment: damn those lazy non-gamer latinos

Posted By: bob (16/04/2008 5:58:24 PM)
Comment: damn those lazy non-gamer latinos

Posted By: Scott (16/04/2008 4:08:53 PM)
Comment: All I can say is, congrats to the Cohns for making it onto FJM. I can't even write something worthwhile on this article because Junior has already torn this apart. I wish I got paid to write as terribly as this.

Posted By: MattyP (16/04/2008 3:29:06 PM)
Comment: Did you get paid to write this?

Posted By: Quinn (16/04/2008 3:06:50 PM)
Comment: How can this guy actually win a award? We are talking about the same guy who is trying to say that Sabean is a better GM then Billy Beane. This is got to be one of the worst writers I've ever read. Go ahead and take a look for yourself. He made the front page of www.firejoemorgan.com Just another pompous "Giants beat writer". Just like how I can't understand how the Giants highlight all their players in a ball game that they are losing 4-1.

Posted By: Squirtle (16/04/2008 1:45:34 PM)
Comment: how about matt stairs? he's a huge cracker. oh wait he's candian, nevermind.

Posted By: Donny (16/04/2008 12:50:53 PM)
Comment: This, I have to say, is an incredibly vapid, air-headed, unsubstantiated, illogical article. Thanks for the entertainment, though. FJM couldn't exist without subjective fools like you.

Posted By: Dan (16/04/2008 12:41:36 PM)
Comment: The Goldcaddy Gamer List: - All members of the "THE BARRY BONDS NON-GAMER LIST" - Torii Hunter - Troy Tulowitzki The Goldcaddy Non-Gamer List: - Mark Ellis - Aaron Rowand - Nick Swisher - Eric Byrnes - All people writing on this blog with the last name "Cohn" - David Eckstein

Posted By: G Smith (16/04/2008 11:48:18 AM)
Comment: Barry Zito never wins a big game? Always wilts under pressure? Oh, like when he beat Johan Santana in Game 1 of the ALDS in 2006. What a wilter.

Posted By: Rob (16/04/2008 11:46:23 AM)
Comment: Blatant racism aside, I guess you guys missed the whole thing about Manny always being the first in and last out every day, often beating the coaches. Also how David Ortiz nearly single-handedly put the Red Sox in the 04 Series. And what keeps Pujols off the gamer list? He plays gold-glove defense, will sac if the situation calls for it, rallies his team, and will even steal occasional bases, not to mention he regularly wins games with his bat. O of course, I forgot. He's not white. My bad.

Posted By: Will (16/04/2008 11:38:26 AM)
Comment: This is sad. You only pick out what helps your argument and ignore anything that doesn't. Who could remember something about a game like the that? And half of the people on that "non-gamer" are much better than those on the "gamer" list. This is just sad.

Posted By: George Price (16/04/2008 11:18:43 AM)
Comment: Wow, the racism here is truly off the charts. You two should be ashamed of yourselves.

Posted By: Darren (16/04/2008 11:18:30 AM)
Comment: What's the difference between Troy Tulowitzki and Hanley Ramirez, other than Ramirez being a better hitter and base-runner (meaning his uniform gets dirty!)? Oh, right. The color thing. Troy is white. My bad.

Posted By: Eric Chavez (16/04/2008 11:07:44 AM)
Comment: Come on, father and son bloggers, I just had like seventeen epidurals. You think I'm trying to suck out there? Right, I'm trying new batting stances every week. That's apparently incorrect. The guy most famous for doing that is the captain of your Gamer Team and an American hero. I think he fought in Afghanistan.

Posted By: joe morgan (16/04/2008 10:41:42 AM)
Comment: This blog makes total sense to me. Some players know how to win and it has nothing to do with stats. Take pitchers for example...W vs L is the only stat that matters. Also, even though I am black, white players are very gritty and are the true gamers.

Posted By: Drew (16/04/2008 10:35:24 AM)
Comment: Note: Swisher is usually thought of as a non-gamer, because he "looks for walks". But he does have long hair and a playful attitude. He can be trained to be a true gamer.

Posted By: Drew (16/04/2008 10:33:30 AM)
Comment: Pedro does those things selfishly, to pad his stats.

Posted By: Question (16/04/2008 10:15:29 AM)
Comment: Re: Pedro Martinez - aren't throwing at heads and brawling qualities of a gamer? Oh, dag, I forgot, he's not white, nor is he American.

Posted By: http:// (16/04/2008 9:45:30 AM)
Comment: Team that would completely match your "gamer" archetype in characterization and race: Houston Astros Team that wouldn't: NY Mets. Which is a better team?

Posted By: BoredAtWork (16/04/2008 9:45:01 AM)
Comment: I thought I'd crunch some numbers using the 2007 racial make-up of MLB players (59.5% white, 40.5% minority) to help you judge if the Non-Gamer team choice is bigoted. If you were to pick a team of 8 MLB players at random, you'd have a 0.91% chance of picking a team with 0 or 1 white players. In other words, the average person would pick 109 8-player teams before coming across a team with the racial make-up like the "Non-Gamers" here.

Posted By: Mayor McCheese (16/04/2008 9:24:36 AM)
Comment: I'm not sure it's fair to say these guys are racist, KKK members, etc...sure, there's something very questionable about the archetype of the throwback white guy grinder who "plays the game the right way"...but in this particular case, I think these guys' analysis has less to do with race than it does with simply goofy, flawed logic

Posted By: Wizzer (16/04/2008 8:45:51 AM)
Comment: I hear the Santa Rosa chapter of your favorite Klan is looking for a new wizzer or whatever it is you racists call that dude... You two should apply for the position! I hear it comes with great benefits. Unfortunately, though, the office doesn't close on Martin Luther the King day, so if you wanted it off, you'd have to use a floater...

Posted By: Cohns Brining Back Jim Crow!! (16/04/2008 8:41:59 AM)
Comment: I like how Barry Zito isn't bulleted/indented with the darkies. Either he was added later as the token white, or the Cohns are keeping him away from the dirty blacks listed below him.

Posted By: Laughing out loud, not just LOL (16/04/2008 8:34:29 AM)
Comment: You can have a whole team of Mark Ellis-es. As a Red Sox fan, I will take the guy who doesn't play the field, but can stand in the box in the most pressure filled situations baseball has to offer (like, oh, I don't know, the 2004 series with the Yanks with the team's season and the sanity of the fan base hanging by a thread) and bust game winning hits. Let Aaron Rowand run face first into a fence, or for that matter a moving truck. Who cares? David Ortiz is like a factory that makes big, clutch, game winning hits.

Posted By: CJ (16/04/2008 8:32:29 AM)
Comment: Love the latent racism here guys. This post is ridiculous, and if you don't know why, then maybe you shouldn't be writing about sports.

Posted By: Doug N (16/04/2008 8:11:16 AM)
Comment: Just so there is no confusion I am not a reader of the Press Democrat but was linked this atrocity through another site. This post is so bad it is actually probably just irresponsible "journalism." Stats are cherry-picked to the point of comedy. how much do you read and talk about baseball during the season? It cant be much if these are your honest opinions. If this is satire then bravo sirs, bravo.

Posted By: Michael Richards (16/04/2008 8:09:04 AM)
Comment: I'm really starting to come around on this baseball thing. GIDDY-UP

Posted By: Thinking Baseball Fan (16/04/2008 7:45:12 AM)
Comment: Thanks for the comedy writing. You lit up my morning with your brilliant impression of two idiots. That was an impression, right?

Posted By: David Duke (16/04/2008 7:41:24 AM)
Comment: Right on! It's unfortunate in this time of oppressive political correctness that you couldn't speak the whole truth: the ultimate gamers are all the white guys who never made it above A ball, while all the olored Hall of Famers are lazy and shiftless.

Posted By: JD (16/04/2008 7:38:12 AM)
Comment: Cal Ripken, your ultimate "team-first gamer," refused to take a single day off during his pointless streak. For the last few years of it, he was giving the team no better than league-average production. Atnytime he was injured or mired in a slump, it would have helped the team to sit him. How does that qualify as putting the best interests of the team ahead of his own statistics and records? Not to mention that he demanded separate, first-class accomodations on the road and once had the general manager of the team fired after the GM demanded that the team plane take off on time and leave Cal, who hadn't shown up yet, behind. Yeah, give me a whole team of Cal Ripkens, please. What a team player.

Posted By: Drew (16/04/2008 7:13:38 AM)
Comment: Definition of a gamer: Paul Lo Duca... he's not good at fielding or hitting to begin with... like a .270/.310/.CRAP batting line... but anyway... so like he isn't any good, right? but THEN, he'll get hurt, diminishing his skill even MORE... yet continue to insist on playing every day... heart baby... sure, that's being a "gamer", but how is that helping the team?... it's not, it's hurting them... you could have Ramon Castro in there bashing 20 HR and slugging .500 for you... instead you got a bad player, who is playing even worse b/c he's hurt, b/c he has too much "heart" to sit down... now THAT'S selfish

Posted By: Drew (16/04/2008 7:07:16 AM)
Comment: I like how they act like Ortiz invented DH-ing, just so he could be a lazy selfish jerk.

Posted By: Carlos Beltran (16/04/2008 6:56:17 AM)
Comment: Sorry for sucking so much in the playoffs. I know my career .366/.485/.817 postseason line and 11 HR in 101 PA is atrocious.

Posted By: Drew (16/04/2008 6:47:40 AM)
Comment: Will these articles ever stop? They're non-good. Two things: 1) For fun, make a starting line-up of both the gamer and non-gamer team. We'll call them the White Sox and the Brown Sox. Imagine all of these guys playing in their primes, and have a game. The White Sox will lose literally every time! That team is horrible compared to the Brownies. 2) The inclusion of Carlos Beltran in a list of "non-gamers" illustrates another thing that really bothers me about white baseball fans (I'm white, but I hate baseball, I only like stats) and their love for gamers: Eric Byrnes dives and bashes into walls and gets hurt = he's doing it for his TEAM and his LOVE OF THE GAME Carlos Beltran dives and bashes into walls and gets hurt = he's a fragile, lazy bum, can't stay healthy because he wants to be selfish and crash into the wall all the time, stupid loser catching balls in the outfield like a lazy baby god I hate him, just play every day and be mediocre at baseball like a true gamer It's a blatant double standard. Don't even get me started on Bonds or Pedro. That crap just makes no sense. I would be able to shrug and accept this type of crap as par for the course on mouthbreathing New York sports talk radio, from both the commentators and the callers, but sadly they have an influence on the way New York sports teams are run, and the way baseball players are viewed in general around here. It's balls.

Posted By: John Rocker (16/04/2008 6:45:43 AM)
Comment: This post is fantastic and righteous.

Posted By: Easy Ed (16/04/2008 6:40:52 AM)
Comment: You and your equally ignorant son have failed at trying to understand baseball. It's time to move on. I would suggest you try following WWE. PS: Your article is f(*&^ing retarded.

Posted By: Eric Duncan (16/04/2008 6:09:40 AM)
Comment: Since you two are so obviously racist, it's easy to see how you could forget about a nobody named Ernie Banks that was hitting 40 home runs a year from the shortstop position, while you were busy paying homage to Ripken as the man who changed the shortstop position. Beyond that glaring omission, the article was awful. You didn't check any facts, and it seems that your non-gamer list is just guys that have gotten older and seen their ability to stay healthy diminish, which is what happens as you age. How does fighting through injuries like Chavez has done make him a non-gamer? You guys should go back to writing for KKK weekly.

Posted By: Wow you suck (16/04/2008 5:49:15 AM)
Comment: Cohn vs. Cohn? Everybody loses. The mix of latent racism and absolutely ridiculous reasoning make this one of the worst baseball articles I have ever read, ever. You should both be ashamed and you editor should be immediately fired.

Posted By: Mayor McCheese (16/04/2008 5:41:56 AM)
Comment: yeah, David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez suck. I would much rather have Torii Hunter or Eric Byrnes on my team. Seriously, how do people like this get paid to write about baseball? They don't even know what they're looking at when they're watching a game.

Posted By: James K (16/04/2008 4:47:02 AM)
Comment: This is ridiculous - Carlos Beltran is a poor playoff performer???? He hit 3 homers in the 2006 NLCS, and 8 homers in 46 at-bats in the 2004 playoffs!!! How could you even presume to say he's a poor performer in the playoffs? Maybe do some research before making statements like that in writing.

Posted By: Eric Byrnes, ESPN Analyst (16/04/2008 1:59:42 AM)
Comment: "...he'll more than likely be an analyst on ESPN when he retires, for whatever that's worth." Dear god. Have you seen Eric Byrnes, ESPN Analyst? If we're going to talk about ancient post-seasons a la Jeter, let's think back to Byrnes not tagging home in game three of the 2003 ALDS because he was too busy sulking. I believe it was an Oakland sports-writer who described him as "dumber than a bag of hammers". He brings this same gamer-ish ADD with him into the broadcast booth. Terrifying to behold. If color commentary is qualification enough for this insane list, then Vernon Wells and Curtis Granderson obliterate Eric Byrnes, EPSN Analyst, every time.

Posted By: Jack (16/04/2008 12:44:58 AM)
Comment: Perhaps you guys need a new line of work? You could polish Joe Morgan's cars. Or, take further criticism here: http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2008/04/stand-back-and-watch-pros-blog.html

Posted By: Jews (16/04/2008 12:29:40 AM)
Comment: Seriously, Eric Chavez?! This guy plays hurt trying to help the team win. All he cares about is the team, he is the least selfish player i've ever seen. He doesn't think as highly of himeself as everyone else does. He has 6 Gold gloves, gave one to 3rd base coach Ron Washington, because he felt It was Ron Washington who deserved all the credit for coaching him. Even when he plays hurt, he's still been an above average hitter, with stellar defense. Eric Byrnes: He dives for balls that he doesn't need to, he's also kind of a jackass to fans.

Posted By: Ben Silverman (15/04/2008 10:14:19 PM)
Comment: This sucks.

Posted By: Jeter a gamer? (15/04/2008 9:46:44 PM)
Comment: How can someone be considered a gamer - that is, someone who would do anything he can to win - when he won't switch positions to allow a superior fielder to take his spot? Making matters even worse, the reason Jeter wouldn't move over to allow A-Rod to take short was because he was still in a snit over having his feelings hurt in a magazine article. A bad fielder not volunteering to make a move for the betterment of the team? Not very gamer-y.

Posted By: Awful Writers (15/04/2008 9:21:21 PM)
Comment: HOORAY FOR RACISM AND IDIOCY! Manny and Ortiz: Two lazy Dominicans who suck at baseball!!

Posted By: atemis (15/04/2008 9:01:18 PM)
Comment: This is the sorriest excuse for a baseball article, like, ever. You got rogered good on firejoemorgan.

Posted By: I hate goats (15/04/2008 8:53:00 PM)
Comment: Dusty Baker is a gamer because he doesn't let anyone clog up the base paths. This is the epitome of ridiculous. I guarantee you I could get someone from a slow pitch softball league who could make some fantastic plays occasionally but that doesn't make him the best short stop ever. I'm never getting this time of my life back.

Posted By: DF (15/04/2008 8:18:53 PM)
Comment: Yes. Agreed. Very stupid. Why are the posting dates listed in the stupid Euro format?

Posted By: The guy pretending to be Manny (15/04/2008 8:15:58 PM)
Comment: seriously, this post doesn't work unless it looks like manny is signing off at the end. crappy column, crappy website that won't let me leave comments the way i want to. ok, sorry. and by the way--this is total garbage.

Posted By: Manny Ramirez (15/04/2008 8:14:33 PM)
Comment: Sorry, the punctutation on my computer was no good. (Made by a non-gamer!) It should have had a return in there... Hola! I non-gamed the hell out of the ball last night in the game against the Cleveland. It suck that you no like me. Seriously, you see the home run I heet? It was smoked, mang. Keep up the great work!!! Signed, Manny, the non-gamer who hit a game-winning home run and is slugging 308 points higher than Jeter, you racist morons. Oh, but I just Manny being Manny!!!

Posted By: Manny Ramirez (15/04/2008 8:12:59 PM)
Comment: Hola! I non-gamed the hell out of the ball last night in the game against the Cleveland. It suck that you no like me. Seriously, you see the home run I heet? It was smoked, mang. Keep up the great work!!! Manny, the non-gamer who hit a game-winning home run and is slugging 308 points higher than Jeter, you racist morons. Oh, but I just Manny being Manny!!!

Posted By: Gary McGillicuddy (15/04/2008 7:44:41 PM)
Comment:

Posted By: Bayside Baller (15/04/2008 7:20:40 PM)
Comment: Soo.... how much are the Giants paying you for this gamer cheerleading? I thought I'd just have to endlessly suffer through it during the broadcasts and at the ballpark. By the way, I'd take the non-gamer team over the gamer team in a second. And so would any sane person who knows anything about the game.

Posted By: ken (15/04/2008 6:56:35 PM)
Comment: Three cheers for latent racism.

Posted By: Ber (15/04/2008 6:52:15 PM)
Comment: If this is a satire of bad sports journalism, you have failed. This is several orders of magnitude worse than the worst ramblings of any sports columnist I have ever read. It is simply too absurd to function as satire. Dial it back a notch and it would be funnier. Wait, wait, you were going for comedy points, right? I don't mean to presume.

Posted By: tim riel (15/04/2008 6:42:44 PM)
Comment: wow...this is absolutely awful

Posted By: Jon (15/04/2008 6:40:42 PM)
Comment: This is literally one of the worst articles I have ever read.

Posted By: Michael Napier (15/04/2008 6:12:20 PM)
Comment: Eric Chavez played with two sore forearms and still managed to play stellar defense at third base. He's played through the back problems, and after several years of these injuries he wants to get himself 100 percent for his clubs, *now* he doesn't fit your nebulous definition of "gamer"? I don't get it.

Posted By: JP (15/04/2008 5:55:06 PM)
Comment: you guys think this is bad? you should have seen the article where Lowell thinks Brain Sabean is a better general manager than billy beane. http://cohn.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=2177135

Posted By: Carl Braun (15/04/2008 4:25:11 PM)
Comment: I dislike writers and columnists who shoot from the hip and don't back up statements with facts and research. That's my biggest complaint with this article--you didn't research your lists. Just because it's an opinion piece doesn't mean you can skip the research.

Posted By: This is dumb (15/04/2008 4:04:55 PM)
Comment: This is ridiculous. The non-gamer team would kick the gamer team's ass. You guys are idiots.

Posted By: Gary McGillicuddy (15/04/2008 3:51:19 PM)
Comment: In all seriousness, how does your description of Troy Tulowitzki differ at all from Hanley Ramirez, except for the fact that Ramirez is an even better hitter? Oh right, wrong skin color. Can't be compared favorably to Cal Ripken otherwise. Oh and Pedro? Read about Game 5 of the 1999 ALDS against the Indians, you nitwits. Six perfect innings on short rest, WHILE INJURED. None of your white heroes have done anything comparable. Please, just quit.

Posted By: Christopher (15/04/2008 3:27:53 PM)
Comment: Yeah, FJM has said pretty much all that needs to be said about this, just wanted to add that this is an absolutely asinine blog and even with the unlimited capacity of the internet this is a waste of space. Also, I guess wanting a little originality and a basic level of quality from writers makes you a "hater".

Posted By: Ryan (15/04/2008 3:22:19 PM)
Comment: This is pretty much the worst thing ever written. Just horrible. Wow, was that bad.

Posted By: dusto (15/04/2008 3:08:56 PM)
Comment: I read the FJM version and its much better. Basically all you have to do to be a gamer is be white. And when it comes down to it if you are a gamer that doesn't necessarily mean that your team is going to win because of it. Infact being a gamer almost designates you and your team as losers. I'm surprised Juan Pierre wasn't mentioned on either list.

Posted By: DE (15/04/2008 3:02:15 PM)
Comment: This ridiculous blog already got the firejoemorgan.com treatment, and rightfully so, but it can't be restated enough..... Gamers: Half-white White White Black White White White Non-gamers: White Latino Latino Latino Black Latino Latino

Posted By: Ben (15/04/2008 2:31:58 PM)
Comment: Oh and one more thing: Nick Swisher has missed 3 less games than Beltran in the last three years. Eric Byrnes has missed 6 more games. Torii Hunter missed more games than Beltran has in 3 years when he missed 64 in 2005 ALONE. And Aaron Rowand missed 53 in 2005 as well. So, yeah, if Beltran is an injury risk, then most of your "gamers" are as well. Good job!!

Posted By: paul (11/04/2008 9:15:02 AM)
Comment: i doubt that fred

Posted By: Fred (08/04/2008 7:52:05 AM)
Comment: This is great stuff. Regardless of what Paul says, many people in my circle of friends read your blogs and it helps add to an important part of our lives....conversation. Lowell, huge fan of your writing, and Iggy you have the respect of this 49 year old. Keep up the good work. I honestly believe there are a lot of people that read your blog and never post a comment.

Posted By: Fred (08/04/2008 7:52:02 AM)
Comment: This is great stuff. Regardless of what Paul says, many people in my circle of friends read your blogs and it helps add to an important part of our lives....conversation. Lowell, huge fan of your writing, and Iggy you have the respect of this 49 year old. Keep up the good work. I honestly believe there are a lot of people that read your blog and never post a comment.

Posted By: Shane (06/04/2008 7:15:02 PM)
Comment: I like this idea because I was a gamer in my days as a ballplayer. Iggy, you were too (Except for the wrist and changing teams after losing the championship [Just Kidding] TJ was a gamer that series.) My Other Thoughts: 1. Paul is a hater. 2. I like the brief posts that accompany the debate posts. Keep up the good work. The Zito stuff is funny. 3. Hunter is slightly overpaid because he's not a great hitter as you said. He's getting old and has had injuries. He's a gamer but that doesn't warrant his salary. 4. Chavez has certainly not lived up to expectations as a hitter and he has suffered many unfortunate injuries. However, he plays through many injuries and contributes excellent defense even in cases when the injury hinders his ability to hit. He's a tough guy who does not belong on the non-gamer list. 5. You're right about Jones' hitting. Swinging for the fences no matter the situation is not gamer status. He is (or was if you think he lost a step) an amazing defender possibly deserving of superlatives, not to mention high praise from Willie Mays. Hunter is on the gamer list for his defense so Jones should be too. 6. Relevant articles this discussion reminded me of: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2491892 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2880979

Posted By: paul (04/04/2008 11:04:42 AM)
Comment: how's it feel to have such a lack of interest in your blog? i can't believe the PD still lets you write this garbage.

Posted By: fred (04/04/2008 9:50:36 AM)
Comment: Oh, lookie look, it's Paul again. The Garbage Man. You hate this blog so much, you can't stay away. Talk about a non-gamer. You go to the top of the list. Fred.